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hey everybody it’s Jeff and Ron here

once again with the sense of things

welcome to the show we are so excited to

finish off this year or this summer

season we’re coming into Labor Day

weekend so we’re going to talk a little

bit about a couple things that Ron has

one called the sausage indicator which I

have no idea where he’s going with that

one but we’ll just go with it and in

addition to that he’s going to talk a

little bit about some data from UBS that

is somewhat

fluing and I’m going to do a segment on

economics going to the fall some

economic indicators that we want to be

paying attention to leading up to the

fed’s decision on interest rates this

month or this upcoming month so stay

with us we’ll be right back with you

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hey everybody welcome to the show Ron

how you doing bud good morning Jeff yes

going in the Labor Day weekend I can’t

believe it Sunday is September last four

months of the year and it’s not like the

last four months of the year is going to

be nice and calm and not much going on

but I think we could say that going in

the last three or four months of the

year pretty much usual but this adding

to a political season and fed decisions

and Ian there’s just so much crap coming

at us the next few months it’s it’s it’s

gonna be anything but calm and uh

reassuring is I guess the best and I’ve

always said and I said this before and

then I wasn’t sure that even when Biden

was still in it as long as it stays

within three to four percentage points

we got major volatility yeah then he

dropped down Trump numbers came up

Camala came in and I gotta tell you you

got to be impressed she’s actually ahead

in just over 50% of the polls and now

that margin is back down to three to

four percent and I think that volatility

because of the uncertainty is just going

to throw our markets I don’t want to say

into chaos I would never say that but

certainly gonna throw it around like a

ragd doll in the next 60 days oh it’s

gonna be volatility Central and I just

think it’s going to be an interesting

season because you I I love how the the

media just fawns all over and I’m like

What’s the POS what do you have what’s

your positions what are you going run on

I I I just don’t get it so we’ll see I

think it’s just gonna be it’s going to

be craziness we’ve got a presidential

debate winging in here right before the

bed decision it’s not gonna be debate

it’s gonna be a shouting match good are

we GNA learn anything no probably not

once again it’s all about you know I I

remember when there used to be like

three to four presidential debates and

now it’s down till we just want to have

one that’s it I just need some sound

negotiation what do you negotiate

you show up your ask questions go the

thing with the mic no mic audience no

audience where it’s going to be what

network it’s on it’s ridiculous but

anyway it used to be you’d have what

four or five different networks do it so

you got each of their little takes on it

or they would do those thematic ones

where okay this one we’re going to focus

on foreign policy and what we’re going

to do this one we’re going to focus on

the economy yeah and all of a sudden

then this last two it’s been we’re just

going to have one or we’re going to do a

time a town hall or whatever you know

what just do more than one I want to see

these different candidates and how they

can react and how they how they’re going

to handle things because they’re going

to be the people that we’re gonna have

to deal with for the next four years

other than Biden completely shot himself

in the foot but other than a catastrophe

like that in a debate you’re not going

to learn anything and typically it’s not

going to sway any independent people but

you know what we’ll save another podcast

for that absolutely absolutely so you’ve

got a po culture reference I don’t want

to call it pop culture I saw this it was

funny so other than English or Spanish

this is the third most spoken language H

in the States now real quick I gotta

pick on your peeps in Texas Vietnamese

in Texas yeah I thought the third most

common spoken language in Texas was

either draw or twang it’s Texan it’s

Texan is the third language fourth

language is Vietnamese no because we

were when when the Viet or when the

Vietnam Boat Lifts happened they brought

a ton of Vietnamese here that were boat

people and brought them here and they

basically are a huge Enclave around

Houston and to the east of Houston

because that a lot of them were

fishermen and specifically shrimp

fishermen and our shrimp industry is

there on the Southeast coast so yeah

it’s a huge oh Galveston area yeah sure

yeah even to the east of there it’s

closer to Bowmont and some of those is

but yeah it’s a huge community and has

been for the last probably 40 years did

not know that there were three that

stood out to me I’ll go in order Nevada

Minnesota and Georgia what language is

Tagalog Tagalog is Filipino it’s it’s

Filipino native language oh okay and

what about Minnesota Hong Mong is those

are the M people from the central

Highlands of of Vietnam so that whole M

they literally took after the the fall

of Vietnam they literally took 90% of

the the mung community and moved it to

Minnesota why I have no idea because

there are people that come from the

Highland Central Highlands of Vietnam

why it’s like the Somali how they all

ended up in in Michigan or in Minnesota

as well I’m like you’re taking somebody

from subsaharan Africa or coast of

Africa and dumping them into the

freaking coldest place on Planet listen

I guess I asked the right person I was

gonna look some of this up but I thought

it would be good fod so I’m very

impressed for someone that’s never watch

sha Shank Redemption by way which was on

TV last night what I don’t get is the

French down in uh North Carolina and

South Carolina I have no explanation for

that one and I don’t understand Korean

in uh Georgia but yeah I’m I don’t I’ve

never heard of that being a huge Korean

community and all that I I love Alabama

and Mississippi though

we don’t speak nothing but

Merin yeah we don’t have nobody else but

mer here I was surprised by how much

German and Chinese yeah yeah especi and

and that’s in Kansas yeah in that

central part of the country you know

that was a lot of German but it’s

surprising to me that they still speak

German and and that’s a major language

for him and I know North Dakota and

Wisconsin there’s a lot of Norwegian so

I I don’t know I thought this was

interesting I mean it’s actually very

fascinating to me I guess NADA makes a

lot of sense because you know the

casinos and everything else so they they

come Filipinos literally they just

uproot their lives and they’ll come and

live and they don’t go home for years on

end so the only two that made sense was

Louisiana because I knew that was very

French oriented I’ve been to I’ve been a

couple places there and Arizona New

Mexico go with Navajo so th those two

did not surprise me but a lot of these

other ones I got to tell you I was a

little flumix it’s hilarious yeah a lot

of them do make a lot of sense but

there’s some weird ones in there that

I’m just okay yeah I I just makes me

laugh though Alabama Mississippi

Virginia and West Virginia we speak

amican that’s it no actually it’s German

German and Alabama Mississippi is

Vietnamese okay anyway all right all

right next all right so I got to tell

you we’ve done the underwear indicator

we’ve done the lipstick indicator

absolutely saw this actually I heard

about it and then I saw this article and

I had to just take the headline and then

I had to read it and then I saw

something on one of the business

channels about it that now just so you

know folks I did not do an inappropriate

Google search on this okay that’s is

good just wanted to get that out of the

way yeah but

apparently they’ve tracked this but when

sausage demand is down that just means

there’s a looming a recession

coming just saying I’m just saying wow

I’m just saying so when you have when

you don’t change your underwear when you

don’t buy sausage and you stop buying

the good lipstick we are

screwed yes that mean that means

apparently the vices are going away in

your spending budget apparently and they

are not putting lipstick on the pig here

is all I can say and they’re not putting

lipstick on the sausage no pun all right

moving on so we always talk about the

funny numbers and how it’s interpreted

so this week UBS wealth management

raised the odds of a recession from 25

to 20% and I had to do this because the

prior

week Goldman Sachs cut the RDS of a

recession from 20 to 20% and previously

I think it was in the prior month they

raised the odds from 15 to 25 and now

moved it down to 20 wow so we’re talking

about two of the biggest investment

Banks out there they got some of the

smartest people and we talk about this

with the government they are all dealing

with the same

numbers so you want to think about it

the government is supposed to be

bipartisan impartial when they’re

releasing things and whatever you don’t

know necessarily where the investment

banks are because obviously they don’t

want M they don’t want people to sell

they want more money in keep your money

invested so on and so forth so I always

a little leery about the market

strategist and how much are they being a

puppet for the puppeteers above them but

here it is Jeff please explain to me you

got some of the smartest people here and

they can’t figure this crap out bouncing

around any less than you and I bouncing

it around every week from one to the

other I’m gonna say kudos to Muhammad El

Aran because I’ve seen him probably six

times in the last two months and he has

been consistent across the board 30%

chance for as long as I can remember

back at this point he’s basically said

there’s a 30% chance and he’s I’m not

with the they ask with the with these

new numbers with the the jobs numbers

and all are you changing that number and

he’s 30% that’s it and it’s funny I’d

like to know when they come out with

that give us your formula how the hell

you came up with that yeah it’s it’s

literally like throwing darts at a dart

board yeah we know all the economic

numbers are trending down but what are

you looking at that you’re decreasing it

by 5% corre again we always talk about

this right the average person reads the

headline and not the Articles they eat

no pun they eat the sausage they don’t

want to know how it’s made I’d like to

know the substance behind this but they

don’t want the sausage that’s already

know this yeah sausage indicator is down

so they don’t want the sausage they just

want the thought of the sausage and

that’s it yes I agree all right what do

you got all right let me share my screen

this apparently today we didn’t even

talk about this before we got on but

apparently today the theme is economics

because we are coming into the fall

season and

economics is I think going to be a big

driver going in here because what are we

waiting on we’re waiting on the FED

meeting and and if they’re going to make

any announcements so what I did is I

went through the upcoming briefing.com

basically what’s out there as far as

some of these different dates and things

like that this week really the only

thing of note because we’re going into a

holiday weekend only thing of note

really was consumer confidence and K

Schiller which actually were positive

consumer confidence has just been

marking

time most of the year and a half it’s

just it’s up one time it’s down another

time it’s just been flat without a whole

lot of changes to that and I don’t know

when that change is gonna happen we went

over this last week when we had our show

and we talked about how credit card

defaults are starting to Rock It Up the

usage of credit cards is off the

charts but consumer confidence is still

up and I but the interesting thing is

just writing the cailes of that but re

other than Walmart right the majority of

the retail outlets in Amber kbby and fin

just came out Target Cole so and Retail

spending is down yeah

but a factor of consumer confidence I

would say yes yeah on my theme though

talked about that a couple months ago my

theme one of my themes is the trade down

consumer and Walmart’s numbers were good

TJ Maxx was good from that perspective I

think the consumer still buying it’s

just they’re not buying at the higher

end stores at this point and abomi

missing their numbers is just shocking

because that’s just not something they

do they’ve been the most consistent

stock I’ve seen um it’s a stock that

I’ve traded money presses on and off for

almost a year now and it’s been like

consistent like clockwork and them

missing a number is extremely shocking

all right coming up I will tell you also

very quickly just talk last Quick point

I don’t know whether it’s a matter of

desperation or what but last week I was

in the supermarket I don’t know what it

is by

you the Halloween stuff is already out

we are more than two months out from

Halloween and they got all the Halloween

stuff out yeah because they got C I

ended up throwing it out after one

handful but they’re gonna get they’re

gonna get Christmas stuff out here in a

couple weeks so they got to get through

the

hall all right next week course

shortened week because of Labor Day

really most of the data throughout next

week is it doesn’t really make a whole

lot of difference there is a big day

next week where trading impact is

typically going to be very high and that

is going to be personal income personal

spending pce and pce prices core these

are pce is the number that and it’s

personal consumer or personal tomorrow

consumer expenses this is the big number

that the FED follows so this is going to

be a big one for them they’re going to

be taking into account that crazy

adjustment to the jobs number and

they’re going to be looking at pce and

using that is one of their biggest

things coming up Friday of the next week

after that so it’s interesting if you

look at the next few weeks a big one the

rest of the week nobody really is gonna

give a crap about anything that’s going

on but that Friday after that September

6th you’ve also got non-farm payrolls

average alley earnings unemployment rate

average work week all things that are

going to factor into that whole

employment sector and then the week of

September 11th or you or September 11th

and September 12 you’ve got CPI you’ve

got core PPI initial claims that’s a

weekly thing um so all of this leading

up to the FED meeting on the September

17th and 18th a lot of data and we know

they are data dependent so this is a lot

of data that’s coming at them full on

where they’re making a decision on

what’s going to happen with interest

rates and it’s really intriguing because

I’ve never seen the FED change interest

rates this close to a an election ever

the last time was 92 from I know we

talked briefly and they did it three or

four times prior to the election and

Bush senior thought that it wasn’t fast

enough or far enough but that’s beside

the point but I look I’m on the record I

did I thought there’d be one or two this

year but I thought it would be after

after the election yeah I don’t think

it’ll be 50 it could be 25 but you know

what we could take some bets and get

into this the week before this we’ll

have a podcast ready to go for that

maybe we should dedicate it we’ll see

but it should be interesting and I can’t

stand the financial channels well

there’re be won’t there be and they have

people on all day long come on people

the best way to watch business Tel it’s

gonna be yeah I think it’s gonna be a

full hundred basis points oh no I think

it’s only GNA be 25 oh no yeah know it’s

everybody should got it six months ago

yeah please please honestly with if I

think if they had the real employment

number I think they probably would have

done at the LA the July meeting I think

they most likely would have dropped at

that point because I think that’s the

only thing that’s been holding him up at

this point because everything else has

been trending down and that number was

just ridiculously it just kept going up

and it made no sense and then all of a

sudden then it’s like a 30% Vision I

think for the FED it’s okay garbage in

garbage out at this point my last Quick

point we could wrap up I from being The

amatur econom Economist that I’ve been

for years loving watching this stuff I

was we had always gone by 5%

unemployment or employ is is always been

quote unquote Full Employment and for

years decades it’s always been five to

six and a half 7% we were in the low

three we were in the mid three

yeah the fact that we are 4.3 and it has

ticked up still means that the the

majority of the people that can work are

working yeah so again and they’re

spending too forget about all the

economic numbers but if the unemployment

number was the true number they were

going by we’re at 4.3 even if it ticks

up to

4445 yeah it’s still pretty good as far

as overall employment I heard somebody

make a a really good make a a really

good point yesterday

he was looking at he he just was talking

about the employment numbers and he said

the problem is they keep headlining

these big numbers oh it’s two million

three million whatever but he’s but

that’s not fulltime employment full-time

employment has declined part-time

employment has increased is it’s not

really full employment it’s people

working part-time and it’s a lot of

businesses I look at it from my personal

my business one of my businesses where I

do hire employees

we don’t work more than 35 hours a week

so they’re not going to be full-time

employees not only that too but I

noticed that last week I didn’t know I

didn’t hear the exact number but the

number of people that have two jobs yeah

is the highest in history in in history

yeah which okay that’s not good that

means that they’re not making enough yes

they employed but they got two jobs yeah

they may be employed but they’re working

14-hour days so yeah it’s insane and I

think the reality is I I think people

are Holding On by their by their fingers

on the cliff at this point and it’s not

going to take much to change and I think

you see just a little small downtick and

employment or uptick and unemployment

and I think that starts to it it starts

to build on itself and and it gets worse

and worse so I agree I agree I I just

think we’re at a precipice at this point

and I think people are stretched beyond

the the the rubber band stretch to its

maximum point at this point and it’s

either going to continue to stretch a

little bit more or it’s going to snap

somewhere in here and I think we just

need to be prepared for that fortunately

I hope that the fed’s GNA start lowering

rates and giving it easing things up a

little bit at this point but if the

federal government won’t stop the

executive side of the house won’t stop

pouring more money into it and looking

for ways to spend more money it’s going

to be for not at this point well look

they may do 25 basis points next

but I think the bigger Cuts will be

after the election I think so too we’ll

see get your popcorn ready they’ll be

too late in the game like they always

have and then they’re scrambling to try

and for all what’s going to happen folks

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