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What’s Ahead — Jobs, Bonds & the Yen Carry Trade
Good morning everybody. Welcome to
another week of the sense of things. And
on today’s show, we got a lot of
information, but we’re going to be
blowing through it pretty quick. Ron is
going to give us this week at history.
Of course, he’s got bond inventories or
bonds versus dealer inventories, which I
think will be interesting, although it’s
bonds and they’re never interesting, but
we’ll go with that. We’ve got soft
landings and a lot of company reports
they’re talking about. and then percent
of tech IPOs and profits. Today I will
cover the jobs number for today which if
you haven’t seen it was ugly. And I will
cover a quick little thing that I did in
a daily read show that I do on a daily
basis talking about the yen carry trade
because this is one of these things
that’s in the background and the
backdrop that we really need to kind of
be aware of. So stay tuned. We’ll be
right back on in just one second. Hey
everybody, welcome to the show. Ron, how
Welcome to Cents of Things
are you, my friend?
Good morning. I can’t believe it. Out
here, kids are already going back to
school to the supermarket. Don’t laugh.
They got Halloween stuff out already.
Yep. They’ve had Halloween stuff out. My
wife, of course, is a crafter, so we’ve
been going to her usual craft stores and
I’m like, man, there was Halloween stuff
in June.
I like Halloween, but
Oh, I love it.
Wait till can we wait till at least late
September? We start getting to the point
this time of the year, this is when
Crystal starts to start making fall
stuff because we’re trying to will the
fall in at that point.
I hear you. I hear you. All right.
All right. What happened this week in
history?
All right. Actually, started out slow.
This Week in History
There was some interesting things. So,
first thing, George Washington becomes a
master mason.
Okay, cool. Interesting.
Thought it was my dad was a Mason. And
what did they say? Eight or nine of the
signers of the Declaration of
Independence were mason. Maybe more. I’m
not sure.
I think actually more of them. Yeah,
that was the the club thing back then,
too. It was the thing where guys got
together to hang out.
1790, Alexander Hamilton creates Coast
Guard to enter because their first job
was tariff enforcement.
And actually, it wasn’t the Coast Guard.
It was the revenue cutters, I think. It
was like the they call it the revenue
cutters administration or something like
that. I was just actually doing some
research on a Caleb Brewster who was in
if you ever saw the show Turn which was
about the spy Washington spies and Caleb
Brewster was one of the very first
revenue cutter captains.
Okay. History.com says it was called the
Coast Guard.
Yeah.
All right. 1858
first transatlantic telegraph cable
completed.
I thought that was interesting
considering how long ago that was.
Yeah. And it what I didn’t realize
actually it happened before before the
Civil War, which I thought I always
thought it was after the Civil War.
Yeah. 1861, Abraham Lincoln imposes
first federal income tax.
Damn Republicans. I’m joking.
I know.
1890, first execution by electric chair.
Old Sparky.
Can you imagine the first ones compared
to what they figured out later on? Like,
all right, let’s like close their eyes
and put a head over their head. probably
their hair was on fire back then
was going to take
save their head so they didn’t burst
into flames and yeah
1912 Teddy Roosevelt nominates a as was
nominated as a bull moose candidate
after dissatisfied with renomination of
Taft I thought this was interesting
because
Taft was his vice president and after
eight years he said Taft is the guy
figuring that he’ll continue with what
he did and Taft was so corrupt up. Teddy
Roosevelt was pissed. So he said, “But
my party won’t give me the nomination
over town. I’ll create the bull moose.”
And he obviously lost.
Yeah, he lost. But he also lost and
caused the
who’s
I’m trying to even think whose name is
came in after him.
But the funny thing was
Yeah.
Roosevelt tried to run again after
already having two terms.
Yep. I Ulissiz Grant, General Grant
tried to run again many years later and
lost. I thought that was interesting. I
And I’d like and I don’t know what the
history is. I guess I’ll have to run an
AI thing to find out how many presidents
after two terms tried to run again prior
to Franklin Ros.
I don’t think very many.
I know Teddy Roosevelt and Grant. Other
than that, I’m not sure.
Grant, I don’t I can’t think of anybody
else. I think most of the other ones
were there was either no chance in hell
or they were just done. 1914 first
electric traffic signal installed at
Uclid A and East 105th Street in
Cleveland, Ohio.
That I did not. Here’s the funny thing
about that. My dad was born on East
104th Street.
Aha.
And close to Uclid Avenue because it’s
he was there.
Obviously was one of the safer blocks in
the neighborhood.
Not anymore. Actually, it is now, but it
wasn’t for a long time.
Why at the time with cars?
Yes. Cars. Yes, neighborhoodwise not so
safe. But
1926, Harry Houdini escapes underwater
coffin after 91 minutes film of this.
It’s pretty The guy was amazing. And
what a name, Harry Houdini. By the way,
what was his real name?
Eric Weiss.
And do you know what he became obsessed
with later in life?
Yes, it was spiritualism because he
wanted to prove that spiritualism worked
because he wanted to talk to his mother,
but he realized it was all a big fake.
And so he decided,
okay, you’re on the right track. But how
did he know it was fake?
Because he’s a magician.
No, because when he went to go to these
people that said they were in touch with
the past, your mother kept they were
saying, “Oh, your mother said Harry,
everything will be okay. Harry and
obviously his mother never called him
Harry.
It was Eric. Yep.
That’s how he knew they were all BS.
Yep.
Anyway, moving on. 1944 and Frank
captured and I didn’t know this until
about seven, eight years ago when I saw
a documentary that actually it was a
family friend that ratted him out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think we talked about
what a friend. Thanks. Thanks, jerk.
1945 American bomber Anola Gay. drops
atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I put this in
here because actually I didn’t know the
numbers. 80,000 were immediately killed,
30,000 were immediately injured. And by
the end of the year, 60,000 more were
dead, but there could have been millions
dead if we invaded. But I mean, however
you want to look at the numbers,
yeah, there would have been millions
dead on both sides if we tried to invade
Japan. So, yeah, it
Yeah, it’s just like the most horrible
thing you wish you could uninvent. You
know, we’ve had a lot of positive things
that have happened because of nuclear
stuff, too. But
1959, first US satellite to photograph
the Earth is launched.
Cool.
1974,
Nixon announces he will resign.
I’m not a crook.
Not a crook. Oh, look at that.
1977, The Spy Who Loved Me released. In
my opinion, one of the top five Dame
James Bond movies.
I am right there with you. Absolutely
love it.
1983. I had to put this in there. Risky
business debuts. Launches Tom Cruz to
Stardom. One of my all-time favorite
movies. Awesome soundtrack. I bought the
soundtrack and it introduced me to a
group with Electric Music called
Tangerine Dream, who did a lot of the
music background. And I bought five or
six of their CDs over the years. If
you’ve never listened to Tangerine
Dream, either go get the soundtrack or
go get their CDs or listen to it on
Spotify. Good stuff.
Nice. Nice. I like this.
1996. God help us. The Macarena begins
its reign at top the US
60 weeks. Now, the reason I brought this
up because I was dating somebody at the
time, and I’m not much of a dancer, and
God, she’d get so pissed at me because I
couldn’t do the freaking moves of the
goddamn Macarena. Oh my god, I’ve had
nightmares in my sleep listening to that
crap.
The the best thing ever. I
And nobody knows the freaking words to
the song,
of course.
Macarena. No, it was I I it was I was at
I was flying out of Lovefield in Dallas
one time and one of the TSA agent it was
like super early in the morning. One of
the TSA agents you’re you get there and
you’re like trying to get your pockets
cleaned out and I’m patting myself down.
Why the Bond Market Matters
He’s like, “Ah, airport macarina, huh?”
Oh god, I could see it. All right, here
we go. So, I bring this up and yes, you
said it. The bond market is not
interesting, but the bond market in many
ways is more important than the equity
market because it’s between five to
seven times the size of the equity
market because it’s debt and we live on
debt and we build on debt and we die on
debt. And I this was interesting because
as the chart progresses, the size of the
bond market is bigger than what actually
is available for sale because people are
holding on to it for whatever reason.
And I I’d like to see how this
amazing. Yeah. Amazing how the dealer
inventories have just cratered. Good
lord.
Yeah. So this is from Financial Fables.
I love that website. And then I thought
Whatever Happened to the “Soft Landing”?
this was interesting because we were
talking about coming out of 22 when will
there be a recession and just on
corporate reports like it just fell off
the face of the earth in 23 to actually
the second quarter of this year nobody’s
talking about a soft landing because
even though we had a rolling recession
for about 18 to 24 months the NBER the
National Bureau of Economic Research
never officially said we were ever in a
recession.
and everybody that thinks and we’ve
talked about this that oh it’s two
straight quarters of negative GDP growth
that’s not what the NBER classifies as a
recession. So I just thought this was
interesting because now what’s the most
often mentioned
terminology in corporate reports and
corporate earnings now
and if you’re not mentioning AI or how
much you’re spending on AI the market
kills you. It’s ridiculous. So, we’ll
have to try to find the chart on that.
AI Takes Over Corporate Earnings Calls
Yeah. Of how many mentions of AI. I’d
love to see that how we’re utilizing AI.
Almost every company has to mention it
even if they’re in in a business that it
doesn’t matter. But we’ll see.
But I think it does matter in a lot of
businesses.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but it’s
just like if you don’t mention it a lot
or how much efficiencies you’re going to
get, whether they could be three to five
years out, they get crushed.
Yep. Absolutely. And then the last one
and it should see how this progresses
The Changing Face of Tech IPOs
with all the big IPOs that came out in
the last year and are coming out in the
next year. How many of them are actually
profitable? And as you can see, I
thought that was interesting because
in the 80s and early 90s, many companies
were waiting until they were a little
more mature where they had positive cash
flow,
and then they’re like, “Okay, now to
have our breakthrough strategy, we need
to go public, get the money, and truly
expand,
keep the momentum going.”
Late n late 90s into the 2000s, it’s
like
profit. We don’t need a profit. We don’t
need those thinking
for an exit strategy. And if we become
profitable in 5 to 10 years, hooray. And
that was the mentality. And then you can
see that did continue until the
financial crisis in 089 and 10.
Yeah. Yeah. And I think it’s true kind
of this year. You look at
Elon Musk with a lot taking SpaceX
public. I it
he’s got revenue, but he doesn’t have
profits.
He didn’t have profit. Yeah. And it
they’re spending a lot of money. I
listened to their conference call and
it’s like they’re spending a lot of
money across the board. Now, do I think
it’s going to work? Yes, because I trust
Elon will figure it out.
He’s going to Did you see the thing that
came out the last two days? He wants to
build his own Fab Factory for chips and
memory. Did you And they had a
rendering, an overview. The building
looks like a chip, a memory chip.
[laughter]
It’s pretty cool, actually. And he could
do it
in true Elon weirdo fashion. Yes. and
it’ll be here in Austin and life will be
The Jobs Report Turns Negative
good.
I hear you. All right, what do you got?
All right, let me let me cover this. I
was trying to convert this into
something a little bit easier, but it’s
not working. You’re going to get a lot
of numbers on the screen. We got
earnings this morning or we got non-farm
payrolls this morning, which were ugly.
first month that we’ve seen in a couple
years where we were negative jobs,
negative 23,000 non-farm payrolls. Just
looking through that. Now, this is, I
think, the bigger part of the story,
which is in this section here. Let me
see if I can blow this up a little bit.
May. So they revised numbers down for
May from down 66,000 from 129 to 6020.
And then combined with that, it’s
103,000 jobs lost over the last several
Massive Revisions to Previous Jobs Numbers
months. Once again, my my belief that
these guys are just really not good at
tracking this when you have that big a
change. But to break
there’s going to be revisions some
point.
Yeah, there’ll be revisions again. and
then it’ll be go up and we’ve looked at
that. Five years down the road, they’re
still adjusting numbers, which makes no
sense to me. So, there’s got to be a
better way to do this. But sector by
sector, local government, education was
down 50,000 jobs. Now, key driver there,
seasonally adjusted drops, which we may
see that come back up because we’re
coming back into school. Like you said
at the beginning, retail trade down
Which Industries Are Losing Jobs?
19,000, which is actually somewhat
interesting. The big drop there was in
Super Centers and warehouse clubs down
21,000 and fuel dealers down five. Hobby
and sporting goods was up 10,000 which
is kind of interesting. We’re building a
I don’t know if you’ve ever been to one.
We’re building a Shields here in in the
town that I live in.
I think there’s one in Dallas.
Yeah, I’m sure there is.
I think I’ve been to It’s huge. It’s a
Walmart of sporting goods stuff.
It’s 10 Walmarts into one building. It’s
crazy. They’ve got a
Correct me if I’m wrong. Doesn’t Buffett
own that?
He might own it cuz he owns Nebraska
Furniture Mart, which they’re putting
one in here, too.
So, I could bet that probably is. And
yeah, it’s even got a ferris wheel
inside the store. It’s crazy.
Financial, banking, and credit down
nine, insurance down seven. Uh, healthc
care has been the driver. We’re up
22,000 in jobs there. And basically
everything else is flat. Even
construction has been a bit flat for the
summer, which is it’s intriguing to me
to see that. I think it’s something that
the market is rallying on today. I think
that this pretty much kabashes any I saw
What Weak Jobs Could Mean for the Fed
as early as yesterday there was like a
57%
bet that the mar that the Fed was going
to raise interest rates in September.
There is not a chance in hell of them
doing that at this point. So, I think
there’s going to be some people flipping
their bets. I I just don’t see that
happening with the the trend that we’re
on with jobs. I just don’t see that
happening at all. Yes, inflation is
there, but jobs I think are the bigger
concern and you don’t need to be raising
interest rates into something like that.
Now, never put it past the Fed for doing
it, but it is there. Thoughts?
I agree. And just to take a half a step
back, Shields is 100% privatelyowned,
employeeowned store, multi-generation,
started 1902 in Minneapolis.
Interesting.
Regarding the numbers, I thought one of
the things that was interesting is for
the most part, the market is up today
because they say because it’ll prevent
the potentially prevent the the Fed from
raising rates. Give me a break. I will
tell you I don’t think there’s going to
be any changes before the election.
So, and there’s two more meetings and
we’ll see what happens. But the current
administration needs the market to go up
and if they raise rates, that’s not a
good sign.
No. And it’s basically counter trend to
what the data is telling us right now.
So, if you’re truly data dependent, as
they say they are all the time, this
ain’t the time to be raising rates. I
would argue the point that later in the
year I could see rates come down at this
point because we are starting to see
some slowing of the market or some
slowing of the economy. And my show that
I’ll do after this, it’s a week a show
that I call the weekly read is that’s
what we’re going to talk about today is
just strictly the fact that it the news
is good until it isn’t. So the market is
seeing this as good, but it ain’t good
[laughter] by any means. So, the last
What Is the Yen Carry Trade?
thing I wanted to cover today, and this
is something I’ve been beating on the
drum for the last couple weeks, I it was
I saw a little story and this kind of
sparked me to do a little bit more
research and it’s an interesting thing
that I think we need to all keep our eye
on because this can unwind very quickly
and cause some big havoc in the markets.
So, it’s called the yen carry trade. So,
what exactly is the yen carry trade?
What it is basically
large traders, hedge funds, things like
that, they go and borrow cheap yen and
basically Japan’s interest rates are
near zero at this point. So they go and
borrow money in Japan,
turn around, convert that to dollars,
then they buy higher yielding assets,
and that can be anything from stocks to
bonds to real estate, anything else like
that. And then basically they earn the
difference on that. They’re basically
playing paying zero for the interest and
they just earn the difference whatever
they can make on it. And then they’ll
apply leverage to that on top of that a
lot of times. So sounds like something
good, sounds like something interesting
until the math breaks down. The yen
strengthens. So that can be from the
Why the Yen Is Creating a Market Risk
Japanese stepping in to try and defend
their currency. It could be Bank of
Japan raising rates, anything like that.
As I was covering this over the weekend
last weekend, the US and Japan
coordinated to defend the yen. So, they
stepped in and we stepped in and bought
yen, which caused the price to come back
up because we are at a 40-year low of
the yen to the dollar at this point. And
that’s it’s a couple things that can
cause some problems for us. one, if the
yen keeps going down, then effectively
our trying us trying to sell anything to
into Japan, we can’t sell anything in
Japan because it costs too much because
of the yen dollar conversion. But two,
it causes a lot of havoc in the market.
So, we stepped in to help out, which
stemmed the drop in the yen. But we also
have a Bank of Japan meeting coming up
How a Carry Trade Unwinds
just after Labor Day where they could
potentially raise rates and by doing
that it could throw the yen carry trade
the opposite direction on the math side.
So what ends up happening is the
investors jump in repay their loans that
forces them to sell to pay stuff off. So
what ends up happening Japan the carry
trade unwinds global selling happens. US
stocks drop. Guess what? Your portfolio
drops. So, what I would say is there’s a
couple things in this this show that we
did today that have me concerned a
What It Could Mean for Your Portfolio
little bit and it may be over over
wrought or whatever, but it has me
concerned and has me starting to think
about, okay, what do we need to do to
offset this in our own portfolios if
this happens and God only knows if we
raise interest rates in September, but
with are with what we’re seeing in the
the jobs market and you’ve got this
hanging over you. I would just say be
careful and be prepared if you see the
market reverse because these type of
carry trades can reverse. 2024 is the
last time it happened and when it
happened, we saw the market come
snapping back fast and what I would
guess is a lot of this this yen carry
trade is happening and blow and blowing
into AI stocks right now. We’ve already
seen them reverse once this summer. So,
just be careful. Make sure you diversify
your portfolios. And that’s all I’ve got
today.
No, good stuff. I love it. Love the
Final Thoughts
graphics, too. Makes it easy to
understand.
Yep. That was my That’s my new thing.
Chat GPT is awesome with graphics.
Oh, you’re such an AI geek.
I know. No, I have my Claude, which is
horrible at graphics. Put together the
numbers and everything and then I put it
in chat GPT, which is awesome with
graphics. So yeah, it’s been a fun kind
of week doing some of these
presentations like this
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