In Episode 161 of The Cents of Things, Jeff Kikel and Ron Lang look at the tension between record-level corporate performance and increasingly cautious market psychology. The Fear & Greed Index has moved toward fear. The junk-bond market is flashing stress. The 10-year Treasury is moving higher. And September has historically been a difficult month for stocks—particularly during midterm election years. We break down: • Why the largest stocks continue dominating earnings • Google, Amazon, NVIDIA and the AI spending boom • Why avoiding the market’s biggest companies can create portfolio challenges • What the Fear & Greed Index is telling us • Why September and October deserve attention • Warning signs in the bond market • Why Jeff is approaching September on “war footing” • The changing Federal Reserve communication strategy • Why markets may have to stop relying on Fed predictions • The U.S. national debt passing $40 trillion • The enormous cost of servicing that debt • ISM, ADP, trade and jobless-claims data • Why the upcoming jobs report could be the week’s most important number Plus, Ron takes us through another edition of This Week in History.

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Good morning folks. Welcome to another episode of the sense of things and going into the holiday weekend. We are heading

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into Labor Day weekend and hopefully everybody’s going to have a fun and safe holiday weekend. Today we’ve got this

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week in history. Ron’s got some stuff on earnings and the top seven just continuing to lead the pack when it

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comes to earnings. Ron’s going to go over the fear and greed index and our national debt. And I’m going to cover a

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little bit off of the briefing.com economic calendar and some of the things that happened this week and some of the things that will be coming a little bit

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later. So hang on. We’ll be right back on with you.

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Hey everybody, welcome to the show. Ron, how are you my friend?

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Good morning. Good morning. Yep. It’s tough to say this is the end of the summer with Labor Day because it’s still pretty I got to tell you, it’s been hotter in the last week here than it has

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been three months ago. But out here, they started school end of July, beginning of August. So for them, the summer was over a while ago.

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But I don’t know. How about what is it about you?

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I think our kids went back maybe a week ago. They would they were kind of sta staggered over the last two weeks, but

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yeah, we’re in the hundreds. We’ve been continually in the hundreds for 23 days now, but heading up to Dallas, Fort

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Worth for my visit family. And wow, it’s a cold front up there. It’s 96 degrees, so looking forward to it. Better bring a jacket.

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I know. Yeah, we had that little mini, whatever you want to call it, tropical depression come through. And of course, central Texas got absolutely none of the

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rain at all. I hear you. I hear you. All right. So, this week in history, I think we’ve done a full circle here over a year. I’ll have to double check.

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Yeah.

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But there’s some Nobody remembers from last year anyhow.

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Yeah. Light week. So, 1777, Stars and Stripe flag flies for the first time.

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Thought that was pretty sewn by Betsy Ross, by the way.

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No matter what her family not sewn by Betsy Ross.

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I know. We had that conversation. We had that conversation. 1789, Congress founds the US Treasury.

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Interesting.

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So, a lot of people think, wait a minute, what was that thing in the early 20th centur? No, that was the central bank.

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This is the US Treasury. So, this is creating our own money, blah, blah, blah. So, anyway,

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1868, George Eastman patents the Kodak camera, and then it was about a hundred years

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later that he did the Polaroid, the instant picture. Yeah. Not him, but the company.

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Yeah, the other. Yeah, the other company. 1928 for all those people with VD.

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Penicellin discovered by Sir Alexander Fleming. I know penicellin is good for other stuff.

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Audience doesn’t have VD. I’m just saying.

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I’m just saying. I don’t know. I’m joking. But I know I know penicellin’s good for other stuff. I just don’t have a good list.

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1939, first televised Major League Baseball game. Interesting.

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Reds versus Dodgers. I could only imagine what this looked like on an eight inch circular.

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Did he pitch? I couldn’t tell. I couldn’t see it.

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That and those the or the the cathode ray tubes back then. It would be like a ghost image on stuff too.

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TV really didn’t get good until cable.

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And that wasn’t until we didn’t get cable until 81 or 82 because of something in our development. And

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dude, my parents were so cheap. We didn’t get a TV with a remote. I was the remote. I know. So was I for many years.

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Actually, I don’t remember. We didn’t get a remote. No, our first remote was with the cable. Okay.

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Because you had the cable box with the remote, but our TV was not a remote control. But cable, I think, started coming out in the mid

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mid early mid but I think mid70s. Didn’t take hold of the late 70s. And it was really the early 80s when it took off.

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Yeah. My my uncle was in the the satellite business. So we ended up we had a satellite dish that he put in and

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we had Showtime which was on the little terrestrial antenna thing back then. So we always had that stuff. But yeah, it

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was there was no remote for the TV at all. But yeah, 1939, Germany invades Poland and

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now the world finally starts to get worried. Yes, Hitler just wanted a little piece of Poland, a little piece of France.

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He got the He tried to get the whole thing. 1964, first Japanese player to play in the Major League Baseball, which I did not know this. Miraama was

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interesting because Boston Red Sox were the last team to integrate with a black player. And I think that was

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right at the end of Ted Williams career at the late 50s. So, this is just interesting this whole thing. So anyway, I don’t even know who he played for.

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And actually the other thing too, like Roberto Clemente, people they felt like it would be bad to let people know that he was from Puerto Rico. So they called

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him Bobby, which he hated. And even when he got interviewed in the 71 world after the 71 World Series, I think it was

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Bobby Clemente. Then they finally started, he told when it became okay, he hated being called Bobby. He wanted to be called Roberto.

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I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to be called Bobby. I’ve never been called Bobby in my life. Why the hell would But they thought that calling him Roberto would be too ethnic.

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Oh, heaven forbid. Ridiculous.

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1969, the first ATM was used at a Chemical Bank in Rockville Center in New York. And people that don’t remember

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Chemical Bank, they were bought by Chase Manhattan. And then JP Morgan bought Chase to create JP Morgan Chase. So that

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was the evolution and the consolidation of our banking industry.

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And just like today, Fleet Bank and Bank of Boston were both bought by Bank of America and the consolidation just never stopped.

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Nope. Wovia was bought by because I remember growing up in North Carolina, Wakovia. Wakovia was bought by First

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Union because First Union had such a horrible name because then they ended up changing the C the bank to Wakovia and

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then they got bought by whoever by Bank of America of course. Yeah. 1985 the Titanic wreck was found. Remember went down 1912.

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Obviously they didn’t have all the technology. Also, they kept looking in the wrong location because obviously they said from where it went down, it

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floated almost two miles from the place where it went down from the those coordinates. Yep.

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1998, federal legislation mandates airbags in cars. Airbags, I think, first

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started in the 70s, started to become a little more prevalent in the 80s, but I was a little shocked to to see 98 was the year they made it mandate.

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Yeah, that’s surprising. Okay, here we go. More fact set stuff. The top seven stocks driving earnings.

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You know, I refuse to call them the MAG7 and then versus the other 493.

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And this is just absolutely insane. The these companies are literally, forget about having a printing press, they own

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the monetary system. I mean, [laughter] this is just absolutely insane. The charts on the left is looking at where

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it was today versus the estimates and what it was at the end of June. So, this is just like one month later. And then

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obviously on the bottom, we’re looking at just earnings growth versus obviously the rest of the companies. And you could

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just see if you pull out where Google and Amazon are down here. This is the earnings without Google and Amazon. And

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if you add in Google and Amazon, everybody talks about Nvidia still making money, but Google and Amazon,

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they are just beasts. And and then, oh, by the way, here’s the other 493 companies in the S&P 500.

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This is I know we’ve shown a lot of charts. If you just try and digest this, it it’s almost unfathomable

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what they’re doing. And then if you look at the the chart on the right, we’re looking at the top five contributors.

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Obviously, we know about Micron, but then you take a look at Google, Alphabet, Chevron surprised me being in here because I’m I’m not an an energy

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investment guy. And then obviously you got Amazon and Nvidia, but this is these earnings that they’re unsustainable, but

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here they are for the last what four years since the end of they’re unsustainable except they are sustainable because they are a beast.

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They’re literally printing machines, right? They’re sustainable as far as they’re going to continue to make money.

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Not at these levels. I mean, yeah, at some point this has got to even out.

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You look, we’re money managers and if you’re not at least have some in somebody that has even a moderate or even a conservative to a moderate to a

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growth portfolio, you have to be invested in an index fund that’s exposed to the top 10 stocks. You have to just

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some money. Forget about investing in the individual shares. You got to be at an index fund that’s exposed to that to

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those top 10. If not, you are not you are going to lag behind for years. You’re going to be left in the dust. Just insane.

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Yeah. Now, it’s been interesting that the last seven to eight months we’ve seen the large value actually show some life, but still

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and they’re moving up. This is earnings, not necessarily stock price and market. This is just earnings.

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End of the day, what comes out of the bottom? This is what’s coming out of the bottom after all expenses. This it’s just

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a lot of it. And two companies that are spending ungodly amounts on AI and they’re still earning money left and right.

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I think 30, we’ve gone over this, 30% of Nvidia’s revenue is from the four or five of the other top companies in the

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top 10. So, they’re all they’re all helping each other out. But it just it’s just incredible. There really is.

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All right. Fear and greed. CNN produces this. And I thought this was interesting that while the market has been going up,

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there’s been fear. And a week ago was neutral because I remember seeing that and I wanted to bring it up today. And then when I looked it up today, I’m

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like, wait a minute. Three three or four kind of rough days in the market. But all of a sudden we tick down to fear from 53 to 44. This is just telling you psychology and behavioral science.

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No, but it is. But it’s also if you look at history, there has never been a positive September in a midterm election

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ever since 1932. There has never been a positive September during a midterm

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election. The odds are we probably won’t see a positive this month. Now, things could change. We have a president in the

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White House that can change stuff in a heartbeat and that may make a difference, but but yeah, I kind of went into this month or I’d been in this kind

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of a war footing because I’m like, I just look at the odds and the odds just ain’t good. So, I can understand the fear level a little bit. September and

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October. You know, they always say the October is the month of bottoms and certainly midterm elections and also just seasonality. September and October.

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Just both of those alone give you two weeks, which usually means good opportunities will be available by October.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah. But, okay, keep going here. The bond market, the bond market’s been bad, but the junk bond market is showing

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extreme fear. I just obviously this was like during the the beginning of the war because the war is not over to show an

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extreme fear. Now, I’m kind of curious what this really means because the 10-year

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hit 475 or 476 this morning, ticking up towards five. That’s it’s not a good sign, but just the bond market overall

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is not great. And then on the right side here, just look at a market momentum.

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You can see folks, what what are we within one, one and a half, 2% of the all-time high. We have fear.

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It’s just crazy. And then stock price strength. The market’s going up, but the stock price is going down. This is your

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indicator to maybe not go to cash, but maybe have cash ready for when you like

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certain things at lower prices. This is when you want to go in. What are your thoughts?

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Yeah, same thing. Yeah, like I said that kind of my indicators were showing me, okay, things are getting a little weaker and weaker and the the one thematic

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thing that I had for this year was data centers. And you’ve got some headwinds in there with of course the politicians have gotten in the middle of all this

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crap. And I I still personally think this is a whole bunch of social media crap coming out of China that’s stirring

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the pot with all of this so that they can get ahead a little bit. But yeah, we’ve seen all those stocks even though there’s been tons of money being spent.

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We’ve seen those stocks pull back during the summertime. So yeah, I think it’s it’s right now for me it’s be on war

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footing a little bit, raise some cash or have some some lower risk investments that can be flipped into something if there’s an opportunity. And I think

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there’s a I think there’s a big opportunity this month for September 15th, which is the next Fed meeting. I

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think after last Friday’s Fed or last Friday’s Jackson Hole speech, I think Wars laid it out there pretty well and

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said, “Figure it out yourself. We’re not going to tell you anymore. We’re going to keep things a little tighter to the vest and we’re going to let you know.”

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So, you see it every every day. before Jackson Hole. I know they were interviewing the one Fed governor from

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Cleveland and she’s just a hardcore we need to raise interest rates at least another 75 basis points which is just

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psychotic. And then you had who’s his face this morning? It came the other one.

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Waller. Yeah, Waller. He’s like, “Hey, I’m I’m in favor of just keeping things neutral at this point.” So the market is swaying based on what each of these guys

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is saying because we’re not they’re not going to be giving any predictions of what they’re going to do going forward.

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So, it’s I think the market’s gota the market and the bond market and everything else has got to figure this out of how they’re going to

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deal with this going forward and build some models that they can count on instead of just constantly and I 100%

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agree with Wars this this whole where we’ve been for the last two Fed governors of everybody just literally

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living on exactly what the Fed’s saying and what is the Fed what’s the direction the Fed’s going. It doesn’t matter.

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[laughter]

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You need to look at this data yourself.

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I do. I built a model that actually tracks all this data for me so that I don’t have to try and gather it. It’s an

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AI model that does it, but I make my own decisions. I don’t make decisions based on the Fed at all.

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Yep. No, I agree. And then lastly, we we shown this slide before. Here we are, folks.

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And the funny thing is we just went over 40 trillion two weeks ago and we’re already down another hundred billion

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in the last two weeks. We we’ve gone we could keep talking about this forever, but in the end this is just

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absolutely insane. And just the interest on the debt alone is 1.1 trillion.

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Yeah. Which is insane. I don’t know how we reverse this or forget forget about cutting in half. How do we just reverse the momentum

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on this? And look, the left could blame the war. The right could do this. Yeah.

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Doesn’t matter, right? The war is a part of this, but it’s not all of it. It’s it’s just the spending is just

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it is this belief that we can’t stop spending because if we stop spending the economy will stop and everything else.

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Okay, you got to stop. And you got to stop borrowing.

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Yeah, you got to stop borrowing. We’re getting to the point where we’re printing money to borrow buy our own bill, our own treasuries because nobody

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else wants to buy them. Yes, totally agree. And we need to we really need to elect some people that actually have

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some guts about them that can say, “Hey guys, we got to slow this up.” Hey, good luck with that.

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It’s never going to happen. Yeah, I know.

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What do you got? All right. So, just quickly, let me go over briefing.com. I usually use the econoday calendar, but I

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actually subscribed now to briefing.com and it’s a nice little concise layout.

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So, couple things this week. Really no major numbers that I said, “Wow, this is just off the charts.” The high trading

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impact numbers are things like ISM on Monday. It’s still 54, which means we’re still in a growth mode. It was a little

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less than the briefing.com forecast and consensus. So, yeah, we’re still within striking range. ADP, you and I have

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talked about a lot. I just don’t get ADP. Sometimes you would think they would have a really good handle on

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hiring numbers, but their numbers just seem to be so far off from the federal government’s numbers. So, either they’re

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right or the government’s right, but who knows? other high oil inventories, they’re where they were supposed to be.

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High impact trade balance is actually going the other direction again. It was getting better and it started to go the other direction at this point from a

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trade balance standpoint, which is interesting because the dollar’s been strengthening against everybody else.

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So, you would think it would go the other way, but ISM manufacturing index up a little bit. The big number for this week, I think the most important one, I

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know today they were talking about initial claims. Oh, they were higher than normal. They’ve been less for the last multiple weeks. But the big number

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I think for this week is tomorrow. It’s the jobs number. It’s going to be right before the Fed meeting. And once again,

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this is all kind of your own data instead of a data dependent Fed that’s predicting things. If I were a betting

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man, I would bet we get a surprise. And I think we’re going to get a surprise on the positive side at this point. That’s

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my belief is I think we might see a a a positive surprise. I know briefing.com

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is expecting 40,000. I could see it as high as 70 tomorrow. So, we’ll see.

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Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s another surprise like we had in June or in July.

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But we’ll see at this point. But that’s really it. A quiet week going into the Labor Day weekend.

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Yeah, it’s definitely temperatures going to start rising here right after Labor Day with the elections,

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which I am not looking forward to my phone number being on a bunch of list where it’s going to get blown up. I remember

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not even during two years ago during the president. I remember the midterms four years ago. The last month leading into

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the election, I must have gotten a minimum six to eight spam texts for

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political stuff. It is just it’s just getting nastier.

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Yeah, I’ve got them all blocked pretty much. But I pull up because I like a lot of times when I’m working at work, I’ll pull up my Windows phone link and she

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I’m like, God, I can’t imagine how many I I would be getting that aren’t getting through, but they come through on that.

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They’re not getting blocked by my spam blocker. God almighty, can we get past this point? And it seems like I I get them still even after that.

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Yeah.

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And I don’t even know if any of this is legit or if it’s BS stuff. So I don’t even Yeah, but you can’t block them all because then they sell your information

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to somebody else with a different number. Yeah.

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And they keep bouncing numbers with everything else. So yeah, it’s just it drives me nuts.

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Yeah, the the whole text thing now drives me absolutely baddy.

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Folks, thanks for joining us for another week. We’ll see you guys back after the weekend. Everybody be safe. Enjoy time with family and all that next week. And

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we hit the ground running after Labor Day Monday. and we are off to the races going into September 11th week and then

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the Fed week right afterwards. So, have a wonderful weekend and we will see you guys back here when we get back next week.

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